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@aardrian @supremebeing09 @w3c @WHATWG Yikes. I was aware of the W3C–WHATWG gap here but not that this is such a grave, long-standing issue. Thanks Adrian. This looks like we really need an update here, to provide clarity on outline algo and <hgroup>. @annevk, @domenic, is there anything “outsiders” can do to help?